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Achievement Overload | Wonderful If

00:00:00: Introduction
00:01:36: The Success Fantasy, by Emma Gannon
Definitions of feat and overachievement
Overachievement indicators
Dangers of overachievement
Concepts for motion…
00:16:14: …1: prioritising efficiency
… 2: do not put all of your eggs in a single basket
… 3: the rear-view evaluation
Closing ideas

Helen Tupper: Hello, I am Helen.

Sarah Ellis: And I am Sarah.

Helen Tupper: And also you’re listening to the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly present that can assist you with the ins, outs, ups and downs of labor, the place Sarah and I share some insights and concepts for motion that can assist you really feel extra assured and in command of your profession growth.  Each week, we put all the sources that we produce collectively into PodMail, so you possibly can simply get our PodSheets, that are downloadable summaries of the episode, and our PodNotes, if you happen to’ve solely obtained one minute to swipe by some stuff, and in addition the recordings of our PodPlus periods, that are 30-minute periods that we do each week, the place we’ve got a group of like-minded learners who talk about what we have been speaking about on the podcast.  And you may get these multi functional place, each week, on a Tuesday morning in PodMail.

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Sarah Ellis: So at the moment, we will be speaking about Achievement Overload, and we kind of have a subtitle for at the moment’s podcast, which I am undecided if that is what you are meant to do or not likely, most likely not, however: Understanding How a Have to Obtain Can Get within the Approach of Your Development.  So, we’re simply going to discover a bit this concept of feat, when it may tip into overachievement, and the way that may be unhelpful.  And I believe we could have all had these moments, the place we maybe get a bit too pushed, or a bit too centered on one thing that is actually essential to us.  So, we will discover this pressure between achievement that may be actually useful in your profession, and overachievement that I believe could be unhelpful.

Earlier than we get began, we simply needed to provide a Squiggly shoutout to Emma Gannon, who has a brand new e book referred to as The Success Fantasy, which you’ll pre-order now from  It comes out in Could 2023, so not lengthy to attend for it.  And if you happen to’ve ever learn, or listened to Emma earlier than, you realize that it is going to be a extremely insightful and considerate and sensible learn.  We’re fortunate sufficient to know Emma a bit bit and she or he shared with us the duvet and what she’s going to be speaking about, and it sounds good.  I am hoping to be getting a sneaky pre-copy to have a learn by, and we predict a number of the subjects and themes we will speak about at the moment may also really feel actually related if you wish to dive a bit deeper with Emma in her e book.  So, maybe examine that out if that is one thing you wish to spend a while with.

Helen Tupper: So, we thought it will be helpful to speak in regards to the distinction between achievement and overachievement, as a result of what we’re not saying is that if you wish to obtain issues at work and in your profession that that is unhealthy, we’re not saying that; it is when it actually suggestions into overachievement that it may change into a little bit of a problem for you and your growth.

The definitions we’re going with are that achievement is about being motivated by excessive efficiency and attending to a desired consequence.  However overachievement is whenever you’re consumed by the relentless pursuit of extra, in order that achievement isn’t, ever sufficient and you’ll’t respect the achievements that you simply’re making alongside the way in which, it is all the time, “What is the subsequent achievement; how can I make this larger?”

Sarah Ellis: So, I believe achievement and overachievement will not be two classes the place some individuals are in a single and a few individuals are within the different, and perhaps some individuals are in neither of them.  I believe it is extra recognising what does your drive for achievement feel and look like; does that ever tip over into unhelpful overachievement; and I believe for some individuals, that is likely to be extra prevalent than others.  We most likely selfishly each discover this notably attention-grabbing to spend a while with, as a result of we each have achievement as a price. 

So, if values are issues that inspire and drive you, the DNA, what makes you you, Helen and I are virtually ranging from this place of I assume naturally would possibly fall into the class of people that might find yourself going into that overachievement, that relentless pursuit of extra, the place you may get a bit single-minded and also you’re all the time searching for the following win.  So, I believe it is fairly attention-grabbing as we discover this at the moment to consider what does this imply for you; do you recognise any of those tendencies; do they ever get in your manner; and, what would possibly you do in a different way?

Helen Tupper: And are you aware what we have not likely ready for, however it’s simply come to me whenever you mentioned that, is if you happen to work with different individuals who even have a robust want to attain, perhaps that strays into this territory of overachievement, how does that change the tradition?  So, it is not only one individual, it is not simply, “Everybody else goes to deal with doing their job properly, however Helen Tupper’s obtained this overachievement factor happening”.  But when a complete crew is like that, I can think about it perhaps begins to get fairly aggressive and combative, as a result of if you happen to’re all overachievers, do you begin then competing with one another?  So it is not, “How can we come collectively as a crew to do higher?” it is, “How can I beat you?” perhaps in that context too.

Sarah Ellis: I did learn an attention-grabbing article, which is nearly like a subset of overachievers, getting ready for this podcast, which was about insecure overachievers and the way a lot organisations sometimes appreciated recruiting these individuals, which if you concentrate on it’s in numerous methods a bit Machiavellian —

Helen Tupper: Yeah, completely!

Sarah Ellis: — as a result of basically, if you happen to get a great deal of insecure overachievers, they blame themselves for issues like burnout they usually’ll work phenomenally onerous they usually’ll suppose, “I am by no means ok”, they usually’re on this hamster wheel of feat; but in addition, they offer themselves a extremely onerous time.  So, I assume it is combining achievement with imposter syndrome, which is nearly like if you happen to’re serious about achievement versus overachievement, I believe there’s most likely one other degree of overachievement.  Should you’re in that overachievement class, then really additionally you possibly can see how that will get to numerous behaviours that might be actually unhealthy for you personally in addition to professionally.

I do not like the concept corporations would search for these individuals and search these individuals out simply because they’d most likely work so onerous, they might get actually good outcomes, however sort of at what value?

Helen Tupper: Yeah, no, gosh, I do not like that in any respect.  That is absolutely a recipe for burnout, corporations making an attempt to get excessive output straightaway after which simply transfer onto the following.  Horrible!

Sarah Ellis: And in addition, they will blame themselves for it, so that they’ll by no means blame the corporate!

Helen Tupper: Gosh, that is horrible, that is actually horrible!  So, we thought we’d put just a few questions out so that you can pay attention and mirror on, by way of whether or not you would possibly establish as an overachiever.  I imply, you would possibly know proper now, you is likely to be like, “That is me and because of this I am listening to this episode”, or it’d enable you to critically mirror on this a bit bit.  So, from the studying that Sarah and I’ve finished, we have eight overachievement indicators and I’ll speak them by as questions so that you can suppose sure or no.  And of those eight overachievement indicators, if you happen to’re actually getting a sure to 4 or extra, it’s a good sign that this is likely to be one thing so that you can deal with.

Primary: do you’ve a objective that you are going after?  Quantity two: do you are concerned what failing will say about you?  Quantity three: do you’re feeling outlined by your successes?  Quantity 4: do you wish to be one of the best?  5: do you prioritise excellence over experimentation?  Six: are you extremely self-critical?  Seven: do you favor to deal with the long run, relatively than take into consideration the current?  And, eight: do you repeatedly let work creep into your non-work life?  And, we’ll put all these questions within the PodSheet if it is useful for you.  However, Sarah, what sort of quantity did you get to?

Sarah Ellis: I believe I get to a four-ish, so kind of half yesses, half noes.  I can actually consider occasions the place that quantity would have been lots increased.  I most likely suppose proper now in my profession, that is the lowest quantity I might have had; I’d even be a 3, which for me I take as an achievement in itself that it is not a six, seven or eight, as a result of I believe I’ve undoubtedly had moments the place it will have been lots increased.  However yeah, I believe a 3 or a 4 in the meanwhile.  What about you?

Helen Tupper: I am a strong 4.  So, a objective I am going after, sure; do I fear what failings say about me, sure; do I really feel outlined by my successes, sure; do you repeatedly let work creep into your non-work life, sure.  That is a strong 4!  The opposite ones will not be so strong, I do not suppose, however these ones, if it is a 4 or extra, then that might be an indicator that I most likely do have a way of overachievement typically.

Sarah Ellis: So, simply a number of the dangers, I believe a few of that is most likely apparent by way of how overachievement could be detrimental to you in your profession, however price simply highlighting what they is likely to be, and in addition you possibly can take into consideration what is the largest threat for you, as a result of we wish this to really feel actually related for you as you are listening.

So, it might be about competitors and comparability.  So, if you happen to’re actually into overachievement, you would possibly all the time really feel such as you’re competing along with your friends, or not so good as your friends, and that’s driving you versus your individual sense of self and self-worth.  It may drive nervousness and overwhelm, which I assume is likely to be that insecure overachievement that I used to be speaking about; you are all the time anxious of your self, what different individuals are saying about you, what occurs if issues do not fairly go to plan; perhaps feeling an actual strain and perfectionism, so that you overachieve as a result of all the things must be proper the entire time.

It additionally would possibly imply that you simply threat changing into very particular person in your outlook, so fairly self-absorbed, in your individual world.  And extra typically by way of outcomes, one of many dangers could be that you simply hold doing issues that you simply really do not wish to be doing, you maybe do not get pleasure from one thing, however you are kind of caught on this cycle of overachievement, and if any person magically may enable you to zoom out and provide you with that helicopter view, you would possibly begin to query, “Do I really get pleasure from my days?  Do I really feel like I am having a constructive impression?”  These kinds of issues maybe have not come to your consciousness since you’re so busy in overachievement mode.

Helen Tupper: And we had been serious about by way of our careers, when has that want to attain obtained in the way in which.  And I believe for me, typically I can simply get actually blinkard.  I am going to let you know a extremely apparent time, as a result of I’ve a number of occasions, however I believe after I was working at BP, undoubtedly that was after I obtained overachievement, as a result of there was lots in that setting that fed my want.  I obtained promoted repeatedly, I used to be doing issues that on the floor made me really feel actually profitable; and the explanation I believe it obtained in my manner is as a result of there have been numerous different issues that actually mattered to me, like my relationships and my studying and my growth and simply having enjoyable exterior of labor, simply stuff like that.

That overachievement bias virtually put blinkers on me, and I did not realise for most likely 12 months of being blinkered, then I realised I am not really having fun with it.  It was simply because I might obtained so distracted by the doing and attaining that I realised it wasn’t the factor that I actually discovered that fulfilling after I checked out all of the issues I appreciated to do.

Sarah Ellis: I believe for me, the blinkering factor undoubtedly rings a bell, and what usually has been actually detrimental for me has been to cease doing numerous different issues in pursuit of a really single-minded objective.  I could be very single-minded after I wish to be and I now know, and I’ve observed about myself, that if I get too centered on, normally it is a objective or an consequence, as a result of for me achievement is about huge objectives and massive outcomes, I can kind of disappear, after which I deprioritise all the things else.

For instance, after I was doing my MBA, not during my MBA, however basically I used to be doing fairly properly in my MBA and I used to be pondering, “I’ve obtained an opportunity right here of doing very well on this, so I’ll give it all the things I’ve obtained”, in order that’s not a foul factor, that is not unhealthy logic to suppose you actually wish to dedicate to one thing you’ve got spent a great deal of time on.  However it meant I ended enjoying netball, I used to be like, “I’ll cease stuff exterior of labor, so eliminate all of that”.  It meant that I ended saying sure to assembly up with buddies, it meant that I most likely did not speak to my companion very a lot throughout that point, and I obtained increasingly…

I used to be so dedicated to an consequence, to one thing taking place that wasn’t essentially all in my management, otherwise you’re undecided whether or not it is going to occur or not, however really all the things suffered because of this.  I do not suppose I used to be nearly as good in that second really of what I used to be making an attempt to do in my MBA, just like the assignments I used to be making an attempt to do or the coursework, and I used to be making an attempt to get began on my dissertation.  And as soon as I observed that and let all of these different issues creep again in that I actually loved, funnily sufficient all the things obtained higher.  So, it did not final very lengthy, as a result of I believe it felt fallacious in a short time.  I used to be all of the sudden, “I assumed now I might be completely on fireplace, as a result of that is the one factor, I am placing all of my vitality into this one factor, so absolutely I ought to be unbelievable”, and the alternative occurred, and I misplaced a little bit of motivation, I misplaced a little bit of vitality.  So, that was an actual set off for me.

Ever since that second, even after I’ve been at my most busy or full-on with something to do with work, I’ve all the time tried actually onerous to not eliminate all the things else, as a result of it is so tempting to do this, is not it, since you simply suppose, “I want extra time, I have to say no to issues.  I’ve obtained no time for anybody else or the rest”.  I believe I had an actual tipping level in my profession the place that overachievement went too far very, very quick, and I railed again from that.

Helen Tupper: I believe it is very easy to get right into a self-justification cycle with these things as properly, as a result of there is no such thing as a doubt {that a} robust want to attain has helped you get sure stuff finished and make issues occur that you simply is likely to be pleased with.  So, you would justify it, you would be like, “Yeah, but when I wasn’t like this, I would not have gotten that.  And if I wasn’t like this, then we would not have had that chance”, and it is very easy, I believe, to simply go into this cycle of, “Effectively, that is simply who I’m, I am an achievement-oriented individual”.

However what we’re saying, I believe we actually wish to be clear, there may be nothing fallacious with being any person who desires to attain issues.  If that’s you and that’s what you are pushed to do —

Sarah Ellis: We might be in numerous hassle if it was!

Helen Tupper: Yeah, that’s actually constructive.  However it’s when these blinkers are so firmly on that you do not do different issues that make you content and that you would be able to’t see the impression of the way you’re behaving would possibly have an effect on different individuals, and that is what we’re speaking about.  It is when it is gone a bit too far and it is going to get in the way in which of numerous issues that you simply would possibly actually worth and wish to do, however you are not seeing it in that second, since you’ve change into so fixated on this consequence that you simply’re oriented in the direction of.

Sarah Ellis: And I believe in Squiggly Careers, the place we’re growing in numerous instructions, the place there are masses extra alternatives and completely different prospects, we wish to be actually open and take advantage of all of these issues that might come our manner.  And if we simply get actually siloed and also you get caught in overachievement in a manner that is not serving you, I believe it should restrict your studying and restrict your Squiggly profession.  You are kind of going again to a ladderlike world the place it is like, “Effectively, I’ll overachieve and that is going to equal promotion”, however that is not true any extra, that actually binary, “If I do that, then I get that”, is not taking place in organisations.  Organisations are getting flatter, they’re creating new roles, they’re creating new departments, all of us want new expertise.

So, maybe overachievement may need served individuals probably a bit higher in a ladderlike world.  I am undecided it is good for you on your sense of self, even in that world, however you possibly can see the way it’s extra related to that world.  Whereas, I believe with the uncertainty and complexity that’s the world of labor now, I believe we have to decouple ourselves from this overachievement, as a result of I fear; I fear about individuals being caught on that hamster wheel that they can not get away from, however then blame themselves for.

Helen Tupper: Yeah, you possibly can see the way it feeds a complete load of like stress, burnout, nervousness, all these unhelpful and unhealthy responses to work.

So, what we have now are three completely different concepts for motion that can assist you to mirror and reply to this, if you happen to recognise this overachievement in your self.  The primary one is about prioritising efficiency.  This comes from actually understanding that there’s a distinction between overachievement orientation, all of the issues we have simply been speaking about, and a high-performance focus.  So, if you happen to suppose overachievement is all the time this relentless “even larger if”, “I may make this even larger if…”, whereas a excessive performer would reply to that scenario and suppose, “I may make this even higher if…”, it is the distinction between larger and higher.

Excessive efficiency will enable you to succeed in the objective, so you are still going after the objective, however it’s extra about the way you go after it and the way properly you carry out and what you would in a different way to get there so you would do it even higher.  It is a extra wholesome deal with that consequence, relatively than a barely obsessive achievement-oriented one.

Sarah Ellis: Additionally, when Helen and I had been discussing this beforehand, you talked about to me that typically whenever you’re in overachievement mode, you are simply too centered on the end line.  I recognise that in myself as a result of I really like a objective.  I really like a objective, I really like planning, in numerous methods I might have been actually good in ladderlike careers, let’s be trustworthy, it will have actually suited me, all predictable and I may simply be actually in management.  So, I recognise how tough this may be typically to let go of if that is your pure mindset. 

I really like a objective; I most likely do not query, most likely beforehand in my profession an excessive amount of typically, whether or not that objective is even the appropriate objective, however you will actually go for it then.  However the issue with that now could be that with a lot change throughout us, the chances are that end line would possibly change, it’d disappear.  Should you had been simply pondering, “Actually, what I care about is a promotion or a job title”, and that’s your short-term end line, properly what occurs if that job adjustments, what occurs if any person else will get that promotion?  You are then very hooked up to a end line, and virtually you are much less inquisitive about being work in progress, in that why do you wish to get to that end line within the first place; is that even the appropriate end line; all of these actually essential questions that we have to ask ourselves. 

So once more, if you happen to’re like me, I really like a end line, I am actually interested in a end line, as a result of I am additionally very future-focused, so again to Helen’s questions, I might undoubtedly be a sure to future-focused.  I am like, “Sensible, you’ve got given me a future end line.  Nice, off I’m going, I am prepared, let me go!”  So, I’ve actually recognised for me that I typically should let go of end strains.  I do not know if that helps individuals, however if you’re like me, that may be fairly a tough factor to let go of.

Helen Tupper: So, the motion right here to be able to let go of the ending line is to consider a objective you wish to go after, as a result of once more there’s nothing fallacious with being goal-oriented, however to usher in that efficiency focus, take into consideration how you’ll develop by getting there.  So for instance, a objective that Sarah and I is likely to be going after, TBC everybody, however let’s simply say e book three.  So, we have written two books; a objective that we may go after is likely to be the third instalment of some profession growth e book that we hope is likely to be good! 

However what we wish to do, relatively than simply go, “Effectively, it is going to be good, what number of books are we going to promote and what number of awards are we going to win?” and all these kinds of issues; relatively than specializing in that, we’d take into consideration, “What are our progress objectives to go after?”  That is likely to be, “Effectively, how can we make the e book much more helpful?  How may we be certain that the e book helps a special group of those that it may need helped earlier than?  How may we use this objective to develop how we work higher collectively, how we write higher collectively?”  All of these issues would make this extra of a high-performance objective, relatively than only a goal that we’re making an attempt to attain.

Sarah Ellis: And I am certain numerous additionally, you will hearken to the Excessive Efficiency Podcast.  However one of many issues that I all the time mirror on, after I dip out and in of listening to that, is clearly they’ve numerous sportspeople on the podcast, and time and time once more you hear unbelievable athletes who’ve gained world cups, gold medals, they usually usually do mirror on, the end line isn’t fairly as satisfying as you think about it is likely to be.

So, they’ve gained this unbelievable factor they usually’re going, “It is not about that, it was in regards to the course of, it was in regards to the crew that I used to be a part of”, and truly typically this actual sense of vacancy of, “What now?” whenever you do get to that end line.  I believe the extra you hearken to individuals who’ve had these unbelievable end strains that you would be able to’t even ponder, as a result of they’re so out of your world, however the extra you hear individuals speak about that, you hear it is a actually constant thread that that is not the achievement bit; it was all of the onerous work, it was all of the coaching, it was the group of people that you had been surrounded with.  Should you actually wish to dive into efficiency and you have not found that podcast, undoubtedly take a look by that, they usually have fairly a variety of company, so you do not have to enter sports activities, there’s numerous different individuals on there too.

So, the second motion is about not placing all of your achievement eggs in a single basket.  So, when your want to attain solely focuses on one space of your life, we predict that is usually the place you do change into blinkered and fewer balanced, as Helen and I’ve each described; we’ve got each skilled that.  So, it is recognising that if you happen to’re somebody who does actually like to attain, it is actually essential to you, it is actually essential to Helen and I, that is not going to alter, and we each run the chance of overachievement, simply recognise if you happen to suppose, “I’m setting numerous stall about whether or not I’ll get this promotion, or whether or not I’ll get this position or get the chance to do that undertaking”.

Simply principally take into consideration how one can stability your baskets, if it does not take the analogy too far, however it helped each of us to consider it!  For instance, how are you serving to different individuals to attain?  How will you obtain by way of issues to do along with your well being?  How will you have achievements that is likely to be extra about your hobbies?  So, we thought assist, well being and hobbies are fairly good extra classes to have, in addition to serious about, “What am I doing in my Squiggly Profession; how am I getting achievement from that?”  What are all these complementary different baskets that you would be able to have round you?

Additionally I believe, as I used to be reflecting on this, if you happen to’re not getting achievement from a kind of baskets, it additionally means that you would be able to look elsewhere as a result of typically there is likely to be moments at work that you do not fairly get the achievement that you simply’re looking for, so you’re feeling you are underachieving, the alternative of what we’re speaking about at the moment, and a few of these different areas can offer you a extremely good supply of feat.  Once more, that has undoubtedly proved true for me prior to now. 

So, after I was on maternity depart and I wasn’t working, I actually missed the achievement that I obtained from work.  And it is no shock that that is the one time in my life the place I began operating and managed to run 10Ks, not very quick, however I did go from not operating in any respect, and truly I beloved getting the medals!  You see, that is the issue, I do just like the end line!  Although I used to be actually sluggish, wasn’t even that good, however simply this factor of going from nothing to 10K, after which yeah, you get that sense of satisfaction, I basically wanted a special basket to get some achievement from.  And that was a bit about well being, a bit about interest. 

However funnily sufficient, as quickly as I went again to work and began going again to a number of the issues that I did earlier than maternity depart, I used to be like, “Yeah, I am finished with the operating now”.  So, you do not have to do all of these items constantly all the time, however I believe it’s simply recognising notably the way you’re serving to different individuals to attain, I believe might be usually under-valued as a supply of, we all know that once we assist different individuals, we additionally assist ourselves.

Helen Tupper: I believe as properly, these completely different baskets of feat really feel fairly completely different.  So, if I take into consideration attaining one thing at work, undoubtedly offers me that rush.  I get a rush of vitality if I’ve achieved one thing at work.  But when I obtain by serving to different individuals obtain, that feels heat, it is a heat sort of feeling, it is not the frenzy that I get from work; it is a very completely different kind of vitality I get again from that.  And well being, I get fairly proud as a result of I am like, you’ve got made time to do this, that feels extra of a sense of satisfaction.  And hobbies, I get fairly excited, I get pleasure from it.  It is virtually such as you begin to see achievement can really feel completely different, whereas if you happen to’re solely getting it in a method, you are solely getting one kind of reward, I suppose, from it.  That is my reflections after I take into consideration the various things I might have in these baskets.

Sarah Ellis: Yeah, that is actually attention-grabbing, is not it, it is how one can join completely different emotions with several types of achievement, like satisfaction versus enjoyment versus vitality.  And the extra we get these vary of various issues, they’re all good feelings for us to really feel.  And once more, it is simply transferring away, is not it, from being too binary.

Helen Tupper: Which most likely once more goes again to resilience, does not it, like filling up your bucket.  These constructive feelings are actually useful for us when we have to draw on our resilience.  So, there’s most likely fairly a pleasant hyperlink between these issues as properly.

So, our third concept for motion is throughout the rear-view evaluation.  What that is actually about is knowing that typically the objectives that we’re going after will not be all the time the issues that make us proudest in the long run.  So for instance, I do not know, a promotion or one thing like that, you is likely to be actually, actually centered on getting promoted.  But when you concentrate on the achievements that you have had during the last 5, ten years, was it a promotion that you simply had been most pleased with, or was it one thing else that was actually significant and mattered, as a result of typically we will simply get distracted by achievements which may look fairly shiny, by achievements that is likely to be a problem.  Typically, I identical to the problem; it is not likely an achievement, I am identical to, “I would like it as a result of it is onerous”!  You may get fairly obsessed about that stuff.

Or, perhaps as a result of it is what different individuals would possibly anticipate of you, so you are going after it as a result of different individuals are saying this may be an excellent factor to do.  However really, again to Sarah’s level in regards to the end line won’t really feel that fulfilling, it is not the factor typically that you simply’re proudest over in the long run.  So, whenever you do a rear-view evaluation, what that is actually about, it is about pondering again, and you’ll decide the time interval, you possibly can say, “During the last 5 years”, and actually serious about what are the achievements that you simply’re actually proudest of, and virtually evaluating that sense of satisfaction that you simply obtained from these issues with what you are really going after in the meanwhile, and ensuring that these issues are related and you are not being distracted and disconnected due to a number of the stuff that is likely to be happening for you proper now.

So virtually, we’d counsel virtually treating this as a two-part motion.  So, half one, simply perhaps create a thoughts map, or simply get a pen and paper, and simply mirror on the moments that you simply really feel most pleased with during the last 5 years; what has actually given you that sense of feat?  So, after I did this, it was issues like my friendships, as a result of I am actually proud my friendships are actually long run they usually actually matter to me; and my residence, I am actually pleased with my residence, as a result of it is a supply of stability for me and my household and numerous work has gone into getting right here and I am pleased with that constant effort; and I am actually pleased with Sarah and I pivoting our enterprise within the pandemic.  It is considered one of my most proud moments, is how we have grown our enterprise out of adversity; I really feel actually pleased with that.

You may then take these moments that you simply’re actually pleased with and take into consideration, what do these moments actually imply; what do they inform me about what I discover significant about achievement?  Then, you possibly can take that understanding and that consciousness and simply evaluate it to the objectives you are going after proper now, and simply ensure that the issues that actually matter to you might be a part of the objectives that you are going after.

Sarah Ellis: I’ve finished this lately the place I’ve listed all my achievements, and I’m fairly such as you, I’m fairly self-centred, I used to be like, “My achievements”, the issues that I felt most pleased with attaining during the last couple of years.  So, I simply wrote them down really in an inventory, not even a thoughts map, and I regarded for what do these issues have in widespread.  What was actually attention-grabbing for me, and it is one thing I used to be speaking to Helen about lately, what achievement all the time appear like for me is at any time when Helen and I are engaged on one thing onerous collectively, for normally fairly a protracted time period, after which we create the factor, however it’s by no means essentially the factor. 

So, though I am very pleased with our TED Discuss and our books, they’re the outcomes, I suppose they had been the end line.  However what was attention-grabbing for me, after I considered the place the achievement got here from, the achievement got here from the method, very particularly the method of Helen and I working collectively on issues which might be onerous.  So, once we had been serious about how we spend our 2023 and past, one of many issues that I talked to Helen about was, “Within the final 12 months, we have had much less time to do this, as a result of for many causes, we have been doing numerous different issues”.  So really, it is actually essential for me, and we have to determine if it is essential for Helen, as a result of in any other case we have an issue —

Helen Tupper: Oh, no, it is not an issue!

Sarah Ellis: — to really take into consideration what are these onerous and essential issues that we will work on collectively; what does that appear like; and the way can we create time for these?  After which it is created actually sensible actions. 

So really, we have regarded forward to 2023 and realised beforehand, it was a bit simpler for us to spend time collectively, we would obtained much less commitments, we would obtained a smaller enterprise, we had been creating stuff from scratch, did not actually know what we had been doing.  Now, we’re a bit larger and we’re rising, we have to be extra intentional about creating that point and area to attain collectively.  So once more, that simply regarded like actually virtually taking a look at our diaries and ensuring that we might obtained seven days collectively over the following seven months, which could not sound like lots.  However full days collectively, when it is our area to create, and that most likely will not embody different ties that we’d discover to be collectively, makes an actual distinction.

I discovered that actually attention-grabbing after I began to then actually take into consideration itemizing these achievements, what have they got in widespread after which what does that imply for me at the moment, by way of how I spend my time, or adjustments I’d make, or issues that is likely to be lacking, as a result of really I realised that had been lacking for me, that I’d wish to deliver again once more.

Helen Tupper: So, we hope you’ve discovered this a helpful pay attention.  We hope, if you happen to recognise that you’re an overachiever, you are not beating your self up an excessive amount of, as a result of please do not, however simply take into consideration a number of the various things that you are able to do.  So simply in abstract, the concepts for motion we have talked about are about prioritising efficiency; do not put all of your achievement eggs in a single basket; after which do the rear-view evaluation. 

As we mentioned initially, all these things is summarised for you, together with these questions that can assist you assess your overachievement orientation, and all of that will probably be within the PodSheet.  Hyperlinks are all the time within the present notes, or e mail us,, and we’ll ship it to you.

Sarah Ellis: Thanks a lot for listening, and we’re again with you once more quickly.  Bye for now.

Helen Tupper: Bye everybody.



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