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2022 in Assessment – How you can look again to look ahead


00:00:00: Introduction 00:03:53: Quickfire questions 00:08:50: End-the-sentence statements 00:18:10: 5 talent areas… 00:18:34: … strengths 00:22:28: … values: pleasure 00:26:37: … values: robust occasions 00:36:30: … values: seeking to 2023 00:39:42: … confidence 00:40:33: … networking 00:41:22: … prospects 00:52:21: Wanting-ahead lists 00:58:20: Last ideas

Helen Tupper: Hello, I am Helen. Sarah Ellis: And I am Sarah. Helen Tupper: And also you’re listening to the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly podcast the place Sarah and I discuss concerning the ups and downs and ins and outs of a Squiggly Profession, and share with you some concepts for motion, some sensible issues you are able to do after you hear in the present day to assist you along with your profession improvement. Sarah Ellis: And that is our remaining episode of the Squiggly Careers podcast for 2022. Helen Tupper: Not ever! Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I do know, that sounded dramatic, “That is it!  We’re going out with a bang!”  However earlier than we do speak about in the present day’s episode, we wished to begin by saying thanks.  We have now such an excellent group of people that take heed to our podcast each week, who ship us messages, telling us what’s labored for them, who share it with different folks, who share it of their organisations, with their pals, with their household.  I do love seeing these Spotify lists that provide you with what you have been listening to; and if you see the Squiggly Careers podcast alongside, I’ve to say some completely sensible podcasts that I additionally take heed to, that I do know have much more listeners than us, it does all the time make me really feel actually proud, and in addition simply extremely grateful, as a result of we all know that our listeners preserve coming again, that you just preserve listening. Everyone has received decisions to make about the way you spend your time, and the truth that you select to spend your listening time with us is one thing that we are going to by no means take with no consideration, and that is why we’re going to preserve going.  So, yeah, there isn’t any finish in sight! Helen Tupper: Nicely, I additionally actually respect it from a studying perspective, as a result of typically I discover it laborious to prioritise listening to podcasts.  I really like listening and studying from podcasts, however I do not all the time discover a time to do it in my week.  So, after I see individuals who’ve made us their precedence, I additionally suppose they’ve made their profession improvement a precedence too, and I simply respect that as a result of which means week after week, they’ve made a while to be taught, and I feel that is a giant pat on the again for doing that as properly, no matter whether or not it is with us or one other podcast that helps you with work; I feel that is an necessary dedication to make to your profession. Sarah Ellis: So, this week’s podcast is about reflecting on 2022 and it is how one can look again to look ahead, so how one can mirror in your yr, but additionally to make use of that to propel you to make some optimistic progress prepared for 2023.  And one of many issues to say by way of the best way we have structured in the present day’s podcast, is we actually hope we have now provide you with some questions that you’ll all be capable of use for yourselves.  So, you’re about to listen to quite a bit from us, maybe in a method that you do not often on the podcast, as a result of we’re going to speak about our years to deliver these to life; however within the PodSheet, you’ll get all of those questions, you’ll be able to simply comply with this format for your self.  So, that is the very first thing. The second factor that each Helen and I’ve discovered as we have ready for this podcast is, be careful for recency bias.  It’s actually laborious if you’re doing this to not simply take into consideration principally the final week or the final month.  And so I actually went again to my calendar initially of the yr and simply did a fast skim via, “Okay, what was taking place in January, what was taking place in February?” to attempt to enhance principally the standard of my reflections, as a result of I might spot that that was taking place. Then, Helen and I have been even chatting earlier than we received began and saying, we expect this format truly might be most helpful if you happen to use it extra continuously, extra quarterly.  After which if you happen to’ve received quarterly reflections to return again to at this level on the finish of the yr, I feel your self-awareness could be even higher.  So, it is simply two issues that we discovered, as a result of I wrote these questions and they don’t seem to be straightforward! So, we have got some quickfire questions and finish-these-sentence statements to begin with, that are simply going to heat us up.  Helen and I do not share beforehand what we will say in response to those, so will probably be fascinating.  After which we have now received teaching questions round strengths, values, confidence, networking and prospects, so these 5 expertise to reach a Squiggly Profession; we have taken every of these and we have thought, “How would you usefully look again to look ahead on every of these?” So, Helen, are you learn for the short fireplace questions? Helen Tupper: I’m prepared.  I’ve reduce and pasted all of Sarah’s questions right into a separate Phrase doc so I might fill it out and never give it away, so we’ll see whether or not she’s nonetheless speaking to me after this! Sarah Ellis: So, I’ll ask Helen the quickfire questions, then she’s going to reciprocate and ask me, after which we won’t resist however discuss slightly bit about them in a bit extra element, I feel.  After which we’ll do the finish-the-statement sentences and comply with that very same format.  Proper, are you prepared? Helen Tupper: It’ll all make sense, everyone!  Yeah, I am able to go. Sarah Ellis: One phrase to explain your yr? Helen Tupper: Stretchy. Sarah Ellis: One phrase to explain Superb If’s yr? Helen Tupper: Increasing. Sarah Ellis: One phrase to explain, I wrote “one another”, however principally me? Helen Tupper: Would you like some love?!  Perspective. Sarah Ellis: Oh, fascinating!  Okay. Helen Tupper: Okay, one phrase to explain your yr? Sarah Ellis: Rollercoaster. Helen Tupper: One phrase to explain Superb If’s yr? Sarah Ellis: Development. Helen Tupper: One phrase to explain me? Sarah Ellis: Supportive. Helen Tupper: Oh, that was practically my phrase for you and I used to be like, “I all the time say supportive.  I really feel like I need a completely different phrase”, however that was my first phrase for you; how humorous!  So, your first, your rollercoaster phrase then, do you need to give a little bit of context? Sarah Ellis: And also you have been stretchy to your first phrase to explain your yr? Helen Tupper: I used to be stretchy, yeah. Sarah Ellis: How straightforward or tough did you discover it to provide you with your phrase? Helen Tupper: I discovered it fairly laborious truly, as a result of this yr has simply been actually, actually stretchy at occasions, to the purpose of like, “I am really feel like I am stretched too far”, both due to some challenges that we have been going via, or the calls for on our time, or the issues that I used to be attempting to do outdoors of labor similtaneously inside of labor.  So, I discovered it laborious.  I did not need to be damaging concerning the yr, but additionally it hasn’t all been sunshine and laughter, there’s been some laborious — so, stretchy was the phrase I felt that simply received that throughout.  Your rollercoaster? Sarah Ellis: A minimum of it wasn’t “snapped”! Helen Tupper: Yeah, I do know! Sarah Ellis: You are like, “Stretchy, nevertheless it did not fairly snap.  Almost, however did not fairly!” Helen Tupper: “Damaged”; that was the phrase I crossed out!  So, you had rollercoaster? Sarah Ellis: Yeah, and I imply I do not like happening rollercoasters. Helen Tupper: So, there you go! Sarah Ellis: Yeah, very comparable sentiments to you.  And I feel what it made me realise is, I’m someone who I truly take pleasure in change, I really like newness, I like doing issues in a different way, I undoubtedly wish to really feel like I am answerable for these issues; and I feel this yr for me has felt nearly like, even the highs, it is too excessive and low for my liking.  I feel I’m pragmatic and calm, I wish to be in management, and there are issues, personally and at work as properly, the place I did not really feel like I used to be driving that rollercoaster. As considered one of our listeners identified to us, I feel we used rollercoaster as an analogy in a earlier episode and we might stated about driving, “Do you are feeling such as you’re driving it?” and he was like, “You do realise, you do not actually drive a rollercoaster?”  However after I was fascinated by that rollercoaster, I undoubtedly really feel like I am using it, quite than on the entrance going, “Now I am selecting to go in that course, and now I am selecting to go on this course”. There have been moments the place I’ve edged ahead, you are feeling such as you’re making some good decisions and performing some issues which can be sensible which can be going that will help you, with inevitable ups and downs as a result of it is by no means going to be all clean crusing, we all know that.  However I feel the final two or three years, which have been difficult for everyone, I’m wondering for some folks, possibly like in 2020 after we had our first lockdowns, or then 2021 when it felt like we have been a bit on repeat however much more uncertainty, then you definitely had 2022 the place there’s been, as somebody stated to me about compound uncertainty the opposite day, and I used to be like, “Yeah, there was a number of that”. Helen Tupper: Yeah. Sarah Ellis: And if I take into consideration the final three years, this has been my hardest yr of the final three years. Helen Tupper: I agree with you.  I nearly suppose for us, it is nearly like compound problem.  Initially of the pandemic, we pivoted; after which the second yr, so 2021, we have been sort of experimenting with development in a couple of completely different areas, which was fascinating; after which this yr, I’ve type of had some rising pains, I feel.  That is what it is felt like.  And I do not suppose it is dangerous and I feel we most likely would have all the time had it, however I feel we have simply actually skilled it this yr.  After which clearly we have each had some stuff personally happening that simply that area you might want to reset to deal with that hasn’t been there.  So, it has been problem in work, problem outdoors of labor. Sarah Ellis: Somebody stated to me that in some unspecified time in the future if you’re working your individual enterprise, you undergo your teenage years, like Adrian Mole’s diary; it rang a bell in my memory of that!  It’s kind of awkward and issues are altering, you are attempting to determine stuff out and also you do have rising pains, do not you, and that is how I feel it is felt slightly bit for us at occasions.  After which that is why these final phrases are so necessary, as a result of maybe if I did not have perspective and if you happen to weren’t supportive, maybe at occasions you’d have snapped.  I feel we got here shut a few occasions, which I am certain we’ll speak about! I feel there have been two fairly apparent moments through the yr the place you snapped and I snapped, at completely different occasions and locations, and if something I feel it is good that you could chuckle about them.  And in addition that complete level about, “It’s okay typically to be like, ‘Nicely, no, that is felt actually tough'”.  However let’s do the following bit, as a result of the following questions, I feel, are barely extra upbeat, as a result of I really feel like we have began on an actual downer! Helen Tupper: Okay, properly, actual! Sarah Ellis: “How’s your yr been?”  “Erm…!” Helen Tupper: “Fairly laborious!”  Okay, proper, I am going to ask you these first after which you’ll be able to ask me. Sarah Ellis: Okay. Helen Tupper: Okay, you had essentially the most enjoyable at work when…? Sarah Ellis: Once we went away as a group.  So, as someone truly who would not actually like going away with different folks notably, I used to be fairly shocked by how a lot enjoyable I had.  I feel it jogged my memory of what we have been constructing, of why we do what we do.  I beloved studying extra about our group.  I do suppose you join with folks otherwise if you’re in an immersed surroundings.  We went away for an evening and also you’d discouraged me from placing an excessive amount of work on the agenda. I am all the time actually tempted in these moments to be like, “Proper, how do we have to spend our time collectively?” and for it to be fairly work-focused, and we had very deliberately, and also you’d talked me down from having an excessive amount of work, we had some studying, we did an excellent workshop with Amy and Nicola from Good Shout and we learnt a bit about copywriting and simply writing typically, and that was superb.  However once more, that felt like a group expertise, it felt like a studying expertise. I feel I simply look again on these couple of days as a extremely necessary a part of our yr, and that did not really feel like rising pains, that felt like good development.  And one of many issues I have been pondering rather a lot about lately is, as a result of everyone’s all the time obsessive about development, and I feel rising is necessary for us, however good development is necessary for us, and being actually clear about what that appears like.  And that simply felt like we have been rising collectively, and for the primary time it felt like we have been making this transition away from it being you and I to all of us.  There was a “we-ness” right here that we might by no means had earlier than. I beloved the actual fact there was some studying, I appreciated the actual fact there was chat over meals, but additionally there was time for folks to be by themselves.  There have been additionally some fairly tough moments in that couple of days, which we might or might not speak about, as a result of it is extra your second to share whether or not you need to or not.  However I nonetheless look again on that and suppose I had a number of enjoyable.  And enjoyable for me might be barely completely different from enjoyable for you, however I discovered that enjoyable. Helen Tupper: I’ll maintain that second, as a result of I’ll come again to it with a distinct context.  It was pretty to spend time with the group.  So your second query, end this sentence: what shocked you was…? Sarah Ellis: What number of purposes we had for among the jobs that we marketed this yr; and linked to that, how small modifications to a recruitment course of could make a extremely huge distinction.  So, we put a number of effort into fascinated by how we have been going to recruit.  We shared interview questions beforehand that had a method larger impression than I might imagined by way of folks feeling like they could possibly be at their greatest in these interviews; we created some questions as a part of the applying course of, asking folks to share what they have been pleased with and a few of their strengths; and we simply had a lot optimistic suggestions on simply the method, folks having fun with making use of for that function. I assumed, “That is superb, that we will make it one thing that individuals take pleasure in doing, whether or not they get an interview or whether or not they’re profitable or not”.  I feel folks felt prefer it was useful for them, so I used to be actually pleased with how we did that.  And simply the variety of purposes that we received, the place folks have been speaking about how excited and energised they’d be by the prospect of working with us. Helen Tupper: Yeah, it was superb, it was very nice.  Even folks that did not get the function that then received in contact about how optimistic the expertise was, it was pretty.  Final however not least, end the sentence: a brand new connection that you’ve got been impressed by was…? Sarah Ellis: So, I discovered this one actually laborious, which I feel is a mirrored image doubtlessly additionally how I’ve spent my time over the previous yr, and I can consider a few current connections who I have been actually impressed by, again to the recency bias.  I’ve had a few Ask the Knowledgeable interviews for the podcast: Sharmadean Reid and David Erixon.  David Erixon’s episode is developing in January, so folks will not have heard that but. Each of these conversations I got here away from simply feeling sensible, nearly like when your mind is on fireplace in an excellent method?  Each of these folks, the dialog had gone on, it had felt intense and fascinating and plenty of sparks entering into all types of various instructions, as a result of they have been each individually sensible.  And it jogged my memory of the significance of these sorts of conversations, how a lot power they offer me, how a lot I take pleasure in them. However I feel a number of my new connections this yr have been nearly via these Ask the Knowledgeable conversations.  There have been some moments the place I’ve completed a barely higher job of some curious profession conversations that I am going to take a couple of bit later after we get to “community”, however nearly a brand new connection outdoors of our Ask the Knowledgeable podcasts, I truly actually struggled.  And I am unable to work out whether or not it is as a result of I am unable to keep in mind, nearly due to that time about going again and attempting to consider all of the folks that you’ve got spoken to; or simply whether or not I have never spent sufficient time doing that this yr. Helen Tupper: Yeah, I agree on the Ask the Consultants.  I type of miss doing these a bit this yr, and the extra the yr has gone on, the extra I’ve realised what a niche that creates when you do not have them. Sarah Ellis: Okay, ought to we swap; prepared? Helen Tupper: Yeah. Sarah Ellis: You had essentially the most enjoyable when…? Helen Tupper: We’re filming collectively.  We have completed various filming, we have now.  And are you aware the one I actually keep in mind?  Sarah and I’ve recorded a video ebook for the Squiggly Profession which we’ll discuss extra about very quickly.  We needed to do some late evening filming in a studio, and it is actually bizarre as a result of typically it is not what you need to do if you’ve been at work all day doing one thing else, it is like, “Okay, we will go to a studio”. However Sarah and I truly do not spend a number of time collectively, which could sound actually bizarre, as a result of if you happen to take heed to the podcast, it’s essential to suppose we’re all the time collectively, “You discuss to one another each week”.  However that is most likely one of many few moments that we have now a chat with one another fairly so overtly and curiously about the place our heads are on matter.  Within the week, we’re each very often working independently and holding in contact through WhatsApp with what is going on on.  However after we’re filming, I really feel like, I do not know, there are humorous moments, we’re fairly — Sarah Ellis: There are various sweary moments! Helen Tupper: Sure, various sweary moments!  We get via it after which we give ourselves slightly excessive 5 when it is completed.  However I simply actually loved, after I take into consideration the yr, they’ve been a few of our most memorable occasions, us within the studio, typically fairly chilly, typically fairly sweary. Sarah Ellis: At all times chilly. Helen Tupper: At all times chilly! Sarah Ellis: Why are studios all the time chilly? Helen Tupper: After which usually on the finish of the day, then I stick a digicam in Sarah’s face as a result of I am like, “I want some content material for social”. Sarah Ellis: And at that time, I get actually offended as a result of I’ve reached my restrict of how a lot I need to be in entrance of a digicam and then you definitely’re like, “To illustrate Glad Christmas and do a Christmas ebook competitors”.  At that time, I feel I stated one thing actually fairly aggressive to you! Helen Tupper: You probably did!  You simply get meaner and meaner. Sarah Ellis: I do not need that hour of tape to get shared; I might get cancelled, I feel!  What shocked you this yr? Helen Tupper: That we printed a ebook! Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I do know!  How is that this yr? Helen Tupper: So, in January, if you do not know, possibly if you happen to’re a more moderen listener, we printed our second ebook, and it went fairly properly.  It was a Sunday Occasions bestseller, referred to as You Coach You.  However the expertise of that after which simply the size of this yr, which I recognize 12 months is 12 months, nevertheless it hasn’t felt like 12 months; it felt like they’ve stretched, to the earlier phrase of the yr.  However yeah, we printed a ebook this yr; congratulations!  There you go. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, to be honest that I’m very, very pleased with. Helen Tupper: Me too. Sarah Ellis: I am nearly shocked typically, if you return and you are like, “Yeah, that web page is nice; that is a superb coach-yourself query!”  And I really like listening to when folks inform us they’ve learn Squiggly or You Coach You and it is helped them, these moments the place it has felt laborious this yr, simply know when you’ve got ever written a assessment for the podcast or received in contact with us about studying a kind of books, truthfully that’s what retains us going.  That is what makes us suppose, “Oh, it’s all price it, as a result of we’re being helpful and we’re making Squiggly Careers higher for everybody”.  So, thanks to everyone who’s completed that. Who’s a brand new connection that you’ve got been impressed by? Helen Tupper: Nicely, it is a little bit of recency bias undoubtedly, as a result of I met with him final week, however I additionally met with him in January, so it type of closes the loop on the purpose!  So, James Routledge, who was beforehand the CEO of Sanctus, spoke at our ebook launch for You Coach You in London, together with Adrienne Herbert, after which I met with him once more final week in London as a result of we have found that we each have a connection from the place we’re from, Stoke-on-Trent, and I used to be simply actually impressed by the journey that he is gone on. He constructed a enterprise, scaled it, after which he stepped away from that enterprise as CEO, he stays on the board contributing to it; he is moved again to Staffordshire as a result of he believes there is a chance to shine extra of a highlight on Stoke-on-Trent and the artistic expertise there.  And this individual that’s getting clearer and clearer concerning the worth that they add, which is that he is nice at beginning issues off and creating power round one thing, after which consistently reinventing his profession, whereas holding the power that he brings on the coronary heart of it.  I discovered it actually inspiring that he is not outlined by one factor, he is doing a number of what we speak about by way of transferring the expertise.  So, yeah, I am impressed by him. Sarah Ellis: He wrote an excellent ebook, did not he, Psychological Well being at Work, I feel it is referred to as? Helen Tupper: Sure, considered one of Penguin Enterprise’s shorter books.  So, yeah, good learn on psychological well being. Sarah Ellis: Nice.  So hopefully, that helps to get you began.  I imply, I say they’re quickfire, they weren’t that fast, have been they?!  However I do suppose figuring out a phrase to explain your yr typically, a phrase to explain your yr at work, after which possibly a phrase to explain if you happen to’ve received a detailed relationship with somebody you’re employed with, that may be actually useful.  Take into consideration when have you ever had your most enjoyable; I feel it is a actually good query.  I feel enjoyable and play at work is so necessary, and if you cannot consider these examples, I feel that additionally tells you one thing.  And if you happen to can consider a great deal of examples, once more that provides you most likely a superb elevate. The shock one is fascinating, one thing that was only a bit leftfield, otherwise you hadn’t anticipated; and that new connection, I feel most likely like Helen and I, it is prompted us each to, , when these conversations are sensible, you actually keep in mind them however if you happen to’re not having sufficient, you type of really feel their loss. Helen Tupper: So, we at the moment are going to get into our 5 Squiggly talent areas so that you can mirror on the yr, so we’ll undergo every one. Sarah Ellis: For a few of these, we’re each going to speak about them however for some, we will alternate, simply because this feels very a lot about us however it’s actually extra about you; we would like you to all be fascinated by your years.  In order all the time with these podcasts, it undoubtedly helps us rather a lot as properly.  So, we will begin with strengths.  I am simply going to speak to Helen about strengths after which we’re each going to do values. So for strengths, three questions for you all to have a take into consideration: when have you ever been at your greatest; who’re you sharing your strengths with; and, how might you employ your strengths extra in 2023?  After which utilizing your reflections on these three teaching questions to only summarise by pondering, “My strengths motion is…”.  So, Helen, the place did you get to on strengths? Helen Tupper: So I stated, “When have I been at my greatest?” I feel within the programmes that we ship for shoppers.  So in that second, it doesn’t matter what’s been happening in work or outdoors of it, in that second I have been current and I imagine that I’ve delivered excessive power, excessive effectiveness profession improvement periods, I have been actually pleased with these moments and there is been a number of them this yr; so, felt good about that. “Who am I sharing my strengths with?”  So, in the mean time, sensible person who I am type of mentoring, referred to as Marie, who’s seeking to develop and develop her enterprise in a number of alternative ways, and I really feel like I’ve received a number of concepts and solutions and methods of constructing her concepts occur that I am fairly excited to do to assist her with, it is given me a number of power to do this.  And, “How can I take advantage of my strengths extra in 2023?”  I had an concept that I’ve not talked to you about, which is about serving to one individual a month.  It sounds a bit bizarre, as a result of we have now periods and we’ll have typically 1,000 folks in a session, and you are like, “Nicely, you are serving to fairly lots of people without delay then”. However for me, there’s one thing within the one-to-one, the small bits of assist that you just give one individual, which have a giant distinction to how you are feeling.  So, I’ve determined that for subsequent yr, I’ll concentrate on one individual, or a pair, a month to essentially assist them with one thing particular they’re engaged on.  So, possibly somebody’s attempting to jot down a ebook proposal, or possibly somebody is attempting to create a industrial proposition, and I’ve already received the primary three folks in thoughts.  They are not essentially going to know that they are on my checklist! Sarah Ellis: Do they even really need any assist, or are you simply going to be like, “You are getting helped, whether or not you need it or not!” Helen Tupper: “I feel you want some assist although!”  No, I feel they’ll have most likely requested ultimately, and I most likely have not made that particular dedication.  However in my thoughts, I’ll put the date within the diary, like I already know one individual I am coping with in January, and I’ll sit down with someone else in February who I talked to in direction of the top of final yr, however I simply need to be slightly bit extra intentional concerning the small-scale assist that may make fairly a giant distinction to that one individual, but additionally makes fairly a giant distinction to how I really feel about my impression. It isn’t all the time the large stuff, ?  I need to preserve the small stuff in.  So, my motion for 2023 is to create what I am calling a “care-and-share checklist”; who’s engaged on one thing that I care about, and the way can I share my strengths to assist them?  So, I need to get that checklist and simply be very intentional about it for the yr. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, that is actually fascinating, and I feel such as you stated, typically if you happen to’re not intentional, you are both doing it however you do not give your self credit score for it, otherwise you’re simply not getting these small wins alongside the best way which can be all the time so necessary.  I’ve realised this yr, and I do not know whether or not it is simply accidentally, or whether or not it is simply one thing that I finish nearly providing with out realising, I am actually good at serving to folks to go away properly. So, in the event that they’re attempting to go away a group or an organisation or profession change, and typically these may be fairly knotty moments in your Squiggly Profession, they will really feel laborious for plenty of causes, there are two or three folks, it is not like there are multitudes of individuals, however there are two or three individuals who I can see that they’ve completed what I’d all the time describe as a chic exit; so that they really feel actually good about themselves, they’ve saved actually good relationships, and so they’ve completed that in a method that is labored for them.  I really feel like I’ve performed a extremely necessary half in serving to somebody to do this in a time that’s typically fairly overwhelming and nerve-racking. So, yeah, it is a very particular factor, however if you begin to spot, “I am clearly fairly helpful in these moments”.  So once more, that is typically fairly useful to then suppose, “That is clearly utilizing my strengths, possibly about being supportive, possibly giving folks perspective”, so maybe I might do this for extra folks subsequent yr who’re in that knotty second, after which you might suppose, “Nicely, what does that appear to be?” Helen Tupper: Okay, so the second space we need to speak about is values, so Squiggly talent quantity two, and that is one we’re each going to speak about, simply because we expect it is so elementary, and in addition we expect that this yr has performed a task by way of our values quite a bit, by way of our happiness and typically challenges at work.  So, Sarah, one second you felt pleased with? Sarah Ellis: I felt actually proud this yr after we did an occasion for our Lead, Be taught, Join neighborhood.  So, it is a neighborhood of people that work in studying and improvement.  We get collectively each six to eight weeks, just about all the time just about, and for the primary time in three years, we received over 100 folks in a room collectively.  And I feel the explanation I felt actually pleased with that day was the agenda, was the folks that we introduced collectively.  So, it wasn’t actually about us, it was what we might deliver to that neighborhood.  And I feel what we will deliver to that neighborhood is curiosity, pondering in a different way, problem and construct, and I feel we received sensible folks within the room to encourage and to share these concepts, and to show folks to attract and to do all types of fascinating issues. I feel that is without doubt one of the distinctive issues that we provide to the folks that we work with and we put a number of effort into designing that day and fascinated by how one can make it an excellent studying expertise, since you do get that traditional cliché, do not you, of the world that you just work in is commonly one thing you neglect for your self.  So, I felt like we gave a day of profession and studying improvement to individuals who work in that space and spend most of their time supporting different folks with their careers.  And it is a great deal of work, everybody is aware of occasions are all the time a great deal of work and there is tons to kind out and to organise; and clearly we did not have it in our plans initially of the yr, so we might not created all this spare area to make that occur. However I do keep in mind afterwards simply feeling extremely good about what we might achieved and the impression that we might had, and that we might been helpful; that benchmark that we all the time have week in, week out, “How are we being helpful; how might we be extra helpful?”  I felt like we created an extremely helpful day of studying and improvement for folks, so I felt actually pleased with that. Helen Tupper: Yeah, and it wasn’t the second that I might written down truly, we’ll speak about these in a minute.  However after I mirror on that, I really feel like there’s one thing, and it is not considered one of our values truly, however there’s something for me that we do PodPlus each week, which is one thing that we do without spending a dime to assist individuals who need to dive a bit deeper into their improvement.  That occasion as properly, these folks which can be a part of that neighborhood, we put that on, we funded the entire thing, and for me there’s something actually necessary in that type of generosity of studying that we allow; I really feel like that is one thing that is necessary to each of us, that we create these moments for folks to return to and be a part of.  It seems like a giant a part of our model and the way we do what we do. Sarah Ellis: So, what did you will have?  Let’s stick with pleasure earlier than we transfer onto the following one. Helen Tupper: So, my second I felt pleased with?  E-book launch resilience; I wrote, “E-book launch resilience”; that is precisely what I’ve written, everyone, as a result of I am unsure of my feelings of that point!  So, the context was, when You Coach You got here out in January, we had a couple of robust occasions with the publishing course of, the ups and downs with numbers that have been being reported and all types of issues; it was actually laborious.  That felt like a really rollercoaster month for me of, “Oh, it is going properly.  Oh no, it is a catastrophe!”  Then we had an excellent thought of placing personalised covers collectively, so you bought, “Sarah Coach Sarah”, which principally meant me, for 2 months with another folks in our group, printing and packing up and posting books and organising a mini operations course of that was simply exhausting and tough. Then the group received COVID throughout that point, you bought COVID; I simply felt like that was laborious.  However I am actually pleased with the resilience of us all getting via that, and that we delivered on all of our commitments at the moment. Sarah Ellis: And we bought a number of books. Helen Tupper: We bought a number of books and we did dwell occasions with Penguin, and we confirmed up for all of these moments and we lined one another when it felt robust.  And I am simply actually, like you are able to do laborious issues?  I take a look at these couple of months and I am going, “Are you aware, we will do laborious issues”. Sarah Ellis: We will do laborious issues! Helen Tupper: We have completed laborious issues, and we will do laborious issues! Sarah Ellis: If nothing else, this yr, we will do laborious issues! Helen Tupper: We will do laborious issues!  That was a little bit of a show level; a show level and a proud level for me, that we might do this.  All proper, so the following one: one time, Sarah, the place life felt robust this yr and what you learnt from it? Sarah Ellis: Nicely, for individuals who take heed to the podcast who actually do hear, after we did our assessment this time final yr, I talked about having a little bit of a meltdown on Clapham Junction Station.  So this yr, apparently, that is the place I’ve all my meltdowns; practice stations!  I used to be like, “Is there some type of metaphor on this; or, is it to do with transitionary moments?  I do not know, possibly it is simply pure coincidence. This time it was Paddington, Platform 1, very particularly, and once more it was simply a kind of moments the place all the things — when you’ll be able to deal with rather a lot, folks speak about that stress bucket.  Whenever you do your psychological well being first-aid coaching, I all the time discover it useful, that concept of your stress bucket will get crammed and crammed and if there is not any one turning on the faucets to alleviate a few of that stress, in some unspecified time in the future it is going to overflow, after which that is it, that is all you’ll be able to deal with.  And that is very laborious to anticipate for me when these moments are going to occur, however they do.  And once they do, they really feel so completely different to laborious issues. So we have described, “There’s been laborious issues and we have discovered our method via, and a few of these issues have been traumatic”?  There’s something very completely different for me about when I’ve these platform-related mini meltdowns, the place I really feel fully numb.  For someone who is kind of feeling-related more often than not, I am going fully numb, very clean and lose an actual sense of connection to work, to folks — Helen Tupper: It is coping, proper; it should simply be a coping mechanism? Sarah Ellis: Yeah, it should be.  What was completely different this yr was as a result of I’ve had it earlier than, I used to be like, “Oh, it is that once more”.  I imply, I’ll say I believe he would not hear, however there was a man on Platform 1 who noticed me strolling up and down this platform; I could not discover a constructing I used to be attempting to get into, and that turned out to be the ultimate straw.  And this man noticed me, he labored for Nice Western Rail, and I feel he noticed me on the sting of tears I feel wanting extremely distressed.  I will need to have regarded actually on the sting.  And he came visiting to me and was like, “Hey, I used to be simply questioning if you happen to have been okay and if I might enable you?” and I used to be similar to, “No, I am not okay!”  However if you’re additionally like, “And I can’t let you know how one can assist me, apart from virtually I do want to search out this constructing”? It was extremely form, as a result of truly all I actually wanted in that second was him — I did want someone to return and discuss to me, or I feel I might need simply capitulated and sat down on that platform in November, or at any time when it was.  And what’s fascinating I feel if you do really feel that method, is letting go of attempting to repair it.  So I feel when it has occurred to me earlier than, I have been like, “Nicely, how do I repair this?” whereas truly this time, I used to be like, “Okay, I’ve received that bizarre clean feeling once more”, and also you simply go, “It feels bizarre, however I do know it is going to go away”, and trusting in that and never worrying about it an excessive amount of, and simply letting your self be for 2 or three days.  Then, you do discover your method via these moments.  I imply, it is not one thing I might look to repeat. Helen Tupper: You are not wanting ahead to coach station 2023 meltdown?! Sarah Ellis: No!  I used to be studying an article about — that is so boring; however I ought to decide the good practice stations in London and be like, “That one’s received a pleasant espresso store the place I might have the following mini meltdown”!  However I noticed my pals truly, I feel it was actually the following day, some very, excellent pals, and it was humorous that I simply could not fairly join with them in the identical method, it did not really feel like it might usually really feel seeing them, and it simply took me two or three days. I feel I am all the time attempting to mirror on, “Might I’ve prevented it?” and really I feel the reply to that’s sure.  It was an unlucky time and mixture of circumstances and mixture of actions, nevertheless it was undoubtedly at the least partly as a consequence of overload; not all, however partly as a consequence of overload.  And I used to be being actually, , if you happen to’re attempting to do this management versus uncontrolled in a really table-like method, what in that second was in my management, what was out of my management, I nonetheless imagine there was sufficient in my management that I might have prevented the overload. There have been another issues taking place in my life the place nothing I might have completed about it and so they have been all the time going to be laborious, and a few of these issues have been extra private; however there have been some issues the place if I might have simply most likely regarded forward slightly bit extra, been a bit extra ruthless about prioritising, stated no slightly bit extra, requested for assist a bit extra, I most likely might have simply turned on the faucet slightly bit with that stress bucket. However in some methods, I am type of used to it now.  We’ll all be excited to see which platform it’s and which station it’s subsequent yr! Helen Tupper: None of us might be enthusiastic about that. Sarah Ellis: Place your bets now! Helen Tupper: I hope that is not a actuality of subsequent yr. Sarah Ellis: I did inform a few my pals who had listened to the podcast and so they have been like, “Why is it all the time at a practice station?” and I used to be like, “I do not know”, however apparently it’s.  They don’t seem to be enjoyable.  I imply, I can chuckle about them now, however I actually, actually do not take pleasure in it, as a result of I feel I discover it so alien to really feel that disconnected. I feel if it had been any greater than a few days earlier than you begin to reconnect, it is an issue, you have to go and discuss to the physician.  I truthfully do not suppose I might really feel that method for very lengthy, it might be an actual crimson flag.  I do not need to make too gentle of it, as a result of I feel feeling like that for any longer is definitely actually severe.  For a couple of days, it was sort of copable with, and it wasn’t the primary time that I might felt it.  So, there you go, you go now! Helen Tupper: Oh my gosh!  So, I do not know what I learnt from my time; so the query, everybody, simply in case you forgot the query, “A time when it felt robust and what did you be taught?”  Sarah talked about considered one of her favorite moments of the yr was when the group received collectively, and never due to the group, that was considered one of my least favorite moments of the yr, as a result of Sarah and I simply had a really difficult dialog about all types of stuff by way of the enterprise, a rising ache factor with the enterprise, and that was most likely my breakdown second.  I imply, what number of occasions have you ever seen me cry within the time that we have been pals? Sarah Ellis: That point? Helen Tupper: Yeah, so it is not that I am unemotional, however I feel that I am fairly managed by way of my feelings.  And there was one thing about that state of affairs the place I did not really feel — and I nonetheless get upset fascinated by it now, and I do not actually know what I learnt from it.  I feel what I learnt is that when there’s an issue, I wish to have it out; not like an argument, it is not that, I like to debate it, I like to only get it out within the open after which really feel like there’s an ongoing dialogue about what is going on on, how are we doing; even formalising it ultimately most likely helps me with the emotions and being like, “Okay, we have got a red-flag state of affairs round this factor”. As a result of I am a fixer, I do not thoughts points; points are unavoidable.  However what I do love to do is repair it, and I additionally like to repair it quick.  And that state of affairs was most likely — and it is also not totally been resolved now, as a result of it is not essentially the most fixable quick factor.  For context everybody, it is about some monetary stuff and authorized stuff that you need to get different folks concerned in that Sarah and I had sought. Sarah Ellis: It seems like we’re divorcing! Helen Tupper: Yeah, we’re divorcing!  We’re not divorcing, it is just a few structural stuff and it is actually necessary.  And I am unable to repair it quick and I can also’t do it myself, which then introduces different dependencies.  And I feel the yr plus that was presumably contributing to the feelings, and it simply felt actually, actually laborious.  And so, I do not know what I learnt from it, apart from that there are some issues that I am unable to repair quick and I’ll have to just accept that that is going to really feel laborious to do.  So possibly even calling out like, “This is not one you’ll be able to repair quick and that is okay for now”, possibly it is that that helps.  However I discovered it very uncomfortable. I’ve nonetheless discovered it uncomfortable since, as a result of I might wish to neglect about it however I really feel like till it is resolved, it is not a factor you’ll be able to transfer on from, as a result of the problem that created it’s nonetheless there. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, it’s fascinating.  It caught me off-guard as a result of it’s so — Helen Tupper: Un-me. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, atypical by way of your behaviour.  However then I feel in some methods, I really feel pleased with that second, as a result of cash is all the time laborious to speak about, finance is all the time laborious to speak about, is not it?  However we had a really grown-up dialog and we talked about it in a short time.  I feel we noticed in a short time that additionally we have been feeling very in a different way most likely, as a result of truly we have been; it wasn’t like we have been each feeling the identical method.  I feel we each knew we might received some stuff to repair, however I feel we have been feeling like we had completely different feelings about that. So, I feel you need to really feel actually good.  We sat down and we talked about it in a short time and we have saved coming again to it and we have tried to be actually clear, have not we, with the place we’re and what we have to do.  I’d observe the factor that you just discovered laborious is partly since you go, “I simply need to transfer on from it”, and you’ll’t, and it is the not with the ability to repair it quick. Helen Tupper: I hate it. Sarah Ellis: I can nearly see the ache, the bodily ache that it causes you to be like, “I am unable to simply kind this”.  I feel most likely I am far more okay with that and simply going, “It is okay, we’re speaking to the proper folks and we’re getting some of these things sorted”. Helen Tupper: Are you aware what’s fascinating simply on these moments, it is actually fascinating; it is very reverse to us.  Yours was actually laborious since you stopped caring, not for lengthy, however for a second your emotions disappeared since you’d disconnected and disassociated a lot from a state of affairs that you just had no emotions left; and mine was so laborious that every one of my emotions bodily got here out!  Some sort of metamorphosis went on the place I turned you and also you turned me and we’re like, “Take us again to regular; that is horrible!” Sarah Ellis: Neither of us loved it, let’s be trustworthy!  However it goes again to the factor as properly, would not it, you are able to do laborious issues and typically feeling like issues will not be all the time going to be straightforward, you’ll be able to’t all the time make things better quick; typically I feel if you happen to simply be taught that, it doesn’t suggest that you will take pleasure in it the following time, however you are most likely a bit extra ready. Helen Tupper: Yeah.  And I imply there’s good issues in it, however I feel it takes you some time to get to the great issues.  They’re bruising, these moments are bruising, and also you simply develop via what you undergo and you’ll be extra lobster, and all these different sensible issues that we have stated in earlier occasions!  However they are not straightforward, they are not straightforward within the second, and you’ll’t get away from that. Sarah Ellis: So, what does dwelling considered one of your values extra subsequent yr appear to be? Helen Tupper: This one, I discovered a lot simpler.  I’ve 4 values; freedom, development, power and achievement, and it is the expansion one which I actually need to concentrate on truly.  So, development to me means making issues larger and higher.  There’s a number of issues that I need to do by way of how we scale Superb If somewhere else and alternative ways; however I might additionally actually like that “even higher if” focus to be one thing that I’ve the psychological area to do.  As a result of, I am fairly often delivering as a part of the rising, however what I might love to do is extra of the growing, “How might this be higher; and what might we be taught from different folks; and the way might we innovate extra on this space?”  I get actually enthusiastic about that a part of my development worth subsequent yr.  What about you? Sarah Ellis: So, my values are: achievement, concepts, studying and selection.  The very first thing I wrote down truly was, “Once we are making decisions and choices, to maintain connecting them again to our values, our values as an organization and our values as people”, as a result of that is the why behind the work.  And typically I feel among the time trade-offs that we have now to make and among the choices we’re making about what we do in what order, I feel if we extra frequently use these values as a filter, it might give us extra confidence round these choices.  I feel typically we make fairly good choices, nevertheless it may offer you an additional enhance of confidence. I feel it might additionally simply problem you, and us collectively every so often, to be actually courageous about issues.  We did have a second this yr the place for 2 or three weeks, we labored very in a different way, and that was fairly a courageous name for us to do, as a result of we have been going to make much less cash throughout that point and we have been spending our time otherwise.  And I feel we each did that as a result of we recognised that we want a little bit of area for concepts and studying and freedom and development.  We have been each dwelling our values very a lot in that point. So for me, it was much less about considered one of my values extra and it was extra about persevering with to maintain your values actually seen, our collective values and our particular person ones.  And I used to be additionally fascinated by that for our group now as properly.  After which simply preserve coming again to, “Are we rising aligned with our values; are we dwelling aligned with our values?” as a result of all of these, if anybody’s ever completed that profession graph train that we speak about in Squiggly Careers on values, the place you plot what your highs have in frequent, what are you able to be taught out of your lows; all of these highs are all the time when these values are actually current.  So, simply persevering with to remind your self of that and keep in mind that may be extremely helpful. Nearly as we’re wanting into 2023 and pondering the traditional, “What are you going to do extra of; what are you going to maintain the identical; what are you going to much less of?” holding these values actually entrance of thoughts all through, I feel, to assist us make some trade-offs, since you’re all the time making robust choices; that was entrance of thoughts for me. Helen Tupper: So, only a recap them on these questions on values, it is one second you felt pleased with; one time when it felt robust and what you learnt; and what does dwelling considered one of your values extra in 2023 appear to be? So, for the following two, we’re simply going to learn you the questions, as a result of we’re aware that there is quite a bit to take heed to and remember, as Sarah stated, this may all be summarised within the PodSheet for you, so simply the issues so that you can mirror on.  I’d see if we will create slightly asset, Sarah, as properly, like a “2022 in Assessment” factor that individuals can fill in for themselves as properly. Sarah Ellis: That may be actually helpful. Helen Tupper: One thing to remove from in the present day.  So, the arrogance questions are: primary, “When have your confidence gremlins come out to play?”  Quantity two, “What’s one instance of if you’ve caged a confidence gremlin?”  And quantity three, “What’s a method you may proceed to construct your self-belief in 2023?”  And if you’d like any assist figuring out your confidence gremlins, if you happen to go onto amazingif.com, onto our free toolkit, which you may get from if you happen to click on on Be taught With Us within the toolbar on our web site, you may see a great deal of sources.  However there’s a free e-book there on How you can Cage Your Confidence Gremlins, and we have listed out the highest ten confidence gremlins that we see most continuously. So, if you happen to want slightly little bit of a nudge to get to the solutions on that one, that could possibly be a superb ebook so that you can learn.  After which, if you’ve mirrored on all of that, you need to get to your 2023 motion by way of your confidence, what would that be? Sarah Ellis: So, for community, which as a reminder we describe as “folks serving to folks”, query one, “Who have you ever been studying from over the past 12 months?”  Query two, “What networks have you ever uncared for in 2022 you may need to take care of a bit extra in 2023?”  Query three, “What do you need to be taught out of your community subsequent yr?” I do actually like that final query, I feel it provides you an actual focus for creating connection.  And that may simply be for me, as an introvert who, I’ve to search out focus right here to make this occur.  We have now answered these questions as properly, however after I wrote that down, that gave me an actual sense of function by way of, “How do I be purposeful about who I am connecting with and why I am connecting?” as a result of I feel that final one is a extremely essential query, “What do you need to be taught out of your community subsequent yr?” Helen Tupper: And the fifth and remaining space, and this one we are going to each reply, is round prospects.  So, three questions right here so that you can mirror on, so I’ll ask Sarah them.  So, Sarah, how do you are feeling about your profession alternatives and choices after this yr? Sarah Ellis: Yeah, it is fascinating!  I discovered this fairly a tough query, that I wrote, and I used to be like, “Why am I writing actually laborious questions?”  What went via my head was, “Am I kind of employable than I used to be initially of the yr?” and, “Do I really feel like I’ve received kind of choices?” as a result of I all the time really feel such as you need to be opening up choices.  I feel that simply appeals to me by way of my very own values, but additionally I feel that is a sensible factor to do. So, regardless of what we have talked about in the present day, which at occasions folks may simply be like, “Wow, they sound like they’ve had a extremely tough yr”, I’ve come to the top of this yr and I’ve by no means felt extra satisfied that I am doing the factor the place I can take advantage of distinction, by way of I’ve discovered and found the work the place I may be at my greatest, the place I may be helpful, and issues that I am good at, that profit from my strengths.  And I can think about utilizing these strengths in different methods.  So, can I think about transferring my skills?  I do not truly discover it that tough to think about that, as a result of each you and I’ve each completed a number of different issues earlier than. However what I am extra curious about is, how can I take advantage of my skills in a option to assist us by way of that good development that we need to obtain for Superb If?  If we’re right here to make Squiggly Careers higher for everybody, how do I join what I do rather well and the place I am sensible and at my greatest, to assist us to do this?  That is what I need to do, that is what I get actually enthusiastic about.  At any time when I discuss to folks, from the skin in it is all the time fascinating, is not it, to see what folks’s notion is of what we do and the way we spend our time; folks all the time say, “You may simply see and listen to from you each”, once they’ve seen you as properly, “that sense of care and dedication that you need to folks’s careers”.  That’s as a result of it is so real.  We’re not making it up or pretending or attempting to do this.  So, even when it has been actually laborious this yr, I do not need to do something completely different. A buddy, considered one of my greatest pals, truly requested me this yr, I went to go to her and she or he was like, “What are you able to think about your self doing now in 5 or ten years’ time?” and I used to be like, “I need to do that!” and I’ve by no means answered that query in that method earlier than.  And I do not need to be dwelling the identical yr twice, as a result of that is my favorite little bit of profession recommendation, isn’t dwell the identical yr twice, however I simply need to preserve increasing and rising from the place I’m, and I can see a great deal of methods to do this that I get actually enthusiastic about. I do additionally suppose asking this query did make me mirror on, selection is considered one of my values and I’m all the time higher in no matter I am spending the vast majority of my time on, I’m all the time higher if I’ve one thing else alongside that, I all the time have been.  So, after I labored at Sainsbury’s, I did a four-day week, I spent at some point on volunteering in Superb If, and I’ve simply all the time had this slight mismatch inside my working week and I take pleasure in that.  I feel I’ve had much less of that this yr than I’ve ever had earlier than as a result of we have now been so in Superb If and so in our world, and it is wanted that for a great deal of causes; all of these rising pains and the entire good development and the entire issues that we do, it should be 97%, 98% of my time, with the odd exception alongside the best way, has been totally in Superb If. It is made me suppose, “That is not what I would like”, as I say to Helen!  She’s like, “Whenever you say, not what you need…?”  I do not fairly know what that appears like but.  I’ve received some concepts and I do know that may really feel laborious, again to these trade-offs and again to the place we’re.  And in some methods you may hear and be like, “It sounds actually counterintuitive”.  However I do know that might be good for me and I feel that is what I’ve missed a bit.  I feel additionally doing that for me opens up choices and alternatives and it creates connections. I really feel like I’m doing what I am meant to be doing and I am actually enthusiastic about how else we might do this and the place else and be much more formidable for the place our careers might take us, individually and collectively, and I feel I would like one thing barely completely different inside my working week, and I feel I’ve missed that. Helen Tupper: I solely ever get enthusiastic about enabling you.  I simply go, “Nicely, I do know we have now a group now, I do know we have now a enterprise, and much of people that look to us for assist with Squiggly Careers, however finally this enterprise began with you and me, and if I can allow you and allow the enterprise…”  So, if you happen to have been like — I am going to make it occur, as a result of that is what I do, that is my power, no matter works for you! Sarah Ellis: What I actually like is your preliminary response to that’s simply to go, “Okay, so what do you want?” Helen Tupper: Determine now; do not make me sit with the uncertainty! Sarah Ellis: I am like, “Let me discover, for God’s sake!”  I am joking.  How do you are feeling about your profession alternatives; are you about to use for one more job?! Helen Tupper: Yeah, so, newsflash…!  No, I truly really feel fairly, excited is the improper phrase, to take this yr on, as a result of I have never received the power to be excited, I feel I want a break.  However I really feel that this yr has been the yr that the enterprise has most felt like a enterprise, an precise enterprise. Sarah Ellis: An actual-life enterprise. Helen Tupper: Yeah, an precise real-life correct enterprise, with real-life correct enterprise issues and challenges and all that sort of stuff.  And we have additionally made some real-life enterprise choices about folks that we’re bringing into the group.  So, after I stay up for subsequent yr, I can take a look at among the folks that we’re bringing in, and I can see how that may reshape my function slightly bit. What I am fairly wanting ahead to, by way of this query being about my profession alternatives and choices, I feel my function might look slightly bit completely different subsequent yr, by way of how I spend my time within the enterprise.  I feel I do not want maybe the identical selection you do as a result of it is not my worth in that method.  What I do need to make sure that is that my time is excessive reaching for the enterprise.  And what I am fairly wanting ahead to is sitting down with you and nearly redefining my function slightly bit, by way of the strengths that I deliver and what the enterprise wants; if we have been to allocate my time in a method that labored greatest for me and the enterprise, what would that appear to be, and I really feel like I’ve possibly not had that flexibility for some time, as a result of there’s been various calls for — Sarah Ellis: In your day. Helen Tupper: — on my day, by way of what the enterprise wants.  However as a result of we’re now bringing in folks that might be much better at that stuff than me, I feel it is going to create some area for me to make use of that point for us in different methods.  I can see us, possibly March, as a result of there’s slightly little bit of onboarding and all that; however I can think about you and me in March sitting down and going, “Let’s redo your week.  What do we want it to be; what would you like it to be?” and I discover that fairly thrilling by way of the impression that I can have. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, so it is a laborious query, nevertheless it’s a superb one, is the conclusion I’ve come to. Helen Tupper: It’s a good one. Sarah Ellis: We have talked about this slightly bit, so maybe we’ll do that one fairly briefly, however after we’re fascinated by prospects, we all know that individuals are actually pivotal to supporting our development.  And in Squiggly Careers, nobody succeeds by themselves.  So, it is price simply asking your self, “What curious profession conversations have you ever had this yr; and, would you wish to have subsequent yr, notably with that framing of exploring profession prospects?”  So, these will not be “making use of for job” conversations; these are “home windows into different folks’s worlds” conversations.  So, any that notably stand out for you, Helen? Helen Tupper: Rob Pierre at Jellyfish. Sarah Ellis: I feel he’d be sensible on the podcast.  I am certain we’ll get him on the podcast in some unspecified time in the future. Helen Tupper: Okay, I am going to communicate to him!  So, Rob was a suggestion from considered one of our Squiggly Profession advocates.  He was like, “I actually suppose you need to discuss to him, he is received a managers’ organisation.  And I had a few sensible chats with him.  Then I used to be like, “We want Rob at Lead, Be taught and Join”, which is the occasion that Sarah talked about.  He impressed everyone as a result of he’s simply counter to a number of fashionable buildings of organisations by way of what he is constructing at Jellyfish and his strategy, and I feel it is actually refreshing to listen to.  Refreshing Rob, I feel, could be my profession dialog of the yr! Sarah Ellis: Or, Relentless Rob, as I feel I truly referred to as him on the day! Helen Tupper: Sure, that too!  Refreshingly Relentless Rob at Jellyfish, however I feel what he is doing there may be actually fascinating.  What about you; what stands out? Sarah Ellis: I’ve truly had a couple of conversations via a espresso roulette that is arrange via a neighborhood that I am a part of for those that run their very own firms, most likely people who find themselves extra skilled at working their very own firms than we’re, firms which can be barely larger than ours, however not fully completely different.  And up to now three or 4 months, I feel as a result of I might recognised that possibly I might not had that many curious profession conversations, I signed as much as this espresso roulette, after which actually you simply get an electronic mail and so they’re like, “That is the individual you have been linked with”. These folks have been actually good each time at getting in contact with me and saying, “Sarah, we have been matched, shall we have now a chat?” and also you suppose, “I do not know, when is that going to occur?”  It is the prioritising of that chat that I feel has been tough.  However I’ve prioritised them and I am so glad that I’ve as a result of I’ve spoken to 2 or three folks now, from very differing types of companies, and each single considered one of them has been actually helpful. It is actually fascinating to see what questions they ask about our firm, so that provides you just a few insights; actually fascinating to listen to their reflections.  One of many girls that truly I am speaking to quickly runs a fairly posh, I feel, hairdresser.  I might heard of the model after which I used to be like, “Do I’ve to kind my hair out earlier than I can discuss to her?” as a result of I might be actually self-conscious!  However these curious profession conversations have actually stood out for me, the place the factor you have received in frequent is that you just run an organization.  So, it takes you out of your world, so that you’re much less in profession improvement and studying world; you are simply extra within the, what are the challenges of working your individual firm, being a founder, being a co-founder. So, I’d say one of many actually frequent themes I hear is individuals are simply so jealous of our relationship, and I by no means actually know what to say, as a result of folks go, “I might actually like to have a co-founder”, and I am like, “Okay, yeah, I imply it’s actually nice”. Helen Tupper: Co-founder! Sarah Ellis: Yeah, nevertheless it does make you realise there are some issues about structurally how we’re arrange which I feel have been very natural for us, it is simply we have made these choices as a result of they felt proper for us alongside the best way, that it makes you very grateful for, issues like we do not have exterior funding to fret about, we do not have some personal fairness firm saying, “You should tick this degree of development”, as a result of I do not suppose I’d take pleasure in that very a lot; and you are not doing it by your self.  Even when I take into consideration, “Might I’ve completed the final yr on my own?”  No, I do not suppose so. So, a few of it’s a bit about, it lets you spot the great and the grateful; you are like, “Okay, these items are good and we should always defend these issues”, and simply how necessary these issues are, and in addition folks asking some actually good questions that simply unlock your pondering.  So, I’ll preserve making time for these, as a result of I did not within the first half of this yr, after which I’ve since October time; and each single one, with out fail, has been helpful. Helen Tupper: And the final query in prospects, which we’ll simply say this one so you’ll be able to mirror on it your self is, “Which of your transferable skills do you need to strengthen in 2023?  So, simply to recap on these questions, the primary one was, “How do you are feeling about your profession alternatives and choices after the yr?”  “What curious conversations have you ever had about your profession?” and, “Which of your transferable skills do you need to strengthen in 2023?” Sarah Ellis: So, simply to complete, we thought it is all the time useful simply to do a little bit of a, we name them looking-ahead lists now in Superb If, which we all the time discover fairly helpful.  So, one work factor that you are looking ahead to, that is in your looking-forward-to checklist for 2023; and one dwelling factor that is in your looking-forward-to checklist for 2023.  Helen, do you need to go first? Helen Tupper: I’ve received two, as a result of considered one of them I used to be pondering you is likely to be like, “I do not learn about that one”, so I used to be like, “I am going to do one other one in case she dismisses it!”  So, I am wanting ahead to subsequent yr, that is the one I feel you may dismiss, scoping ebook three, as a result of I feel Sarah’s like, “We’ve not determined we’re doing ebook three but”, and I do know we’ve not, however I am wanting ahead to the dialogue about doubtlessly doing ebook three, in order that’s going up there. Then the second, which you are not allowed to debate with me, is about studying innovation.  I actually would like to spend slightly little bit of time, and I used to do that in different industries that I labored in and I actually loved it, simply innovation that is taking place in numerous areas, and simply fascinated by, if we have been going to do one thing actually completely different with how we taught folks Squiggly expertise, what would completely different appear to be, by way of the tech that we use and the way we do it.  I feel Sarah is so good at studying design, by way of the questions and the way we use visuals, and I feel typically how I can take into consideration how we will use tech is the little bit of worth that I add as properly, and simply completely different industries and what do they do.  So, I am wanting ahead to spending a little bit of time doing that, I feel that could possibly be fascinating. Then the one dwelling factor on my looking-forward-to checklist is working within the Squiggly studio! Sarah Ellis: She’s received a Squiggly studio, folks! Helen Tupper: I am very excited! Sarah Ellis: It seems actually chilly and bleak in the mean time, I can see her on display screen; it would not look that good! Helen Tupper: It is fairly heat, nevertheless it’s very white, it is not very Squiggly.  However I’ve received a brand new constructing.  So, we have had varied completely different workplaces over the past 12 months that we have been doing our Squiggly periods from and for me this yr, as in 2023, I’ve a brand new studio area which is in my dwelling, which is admittedly thrilling, and I am simply wanting ahead to doing it up in order that I can really feel I can are available in right here and I may be work me, however I actually need to go throughout the grass and I may be dwelling me, and that simply seems like the 2 issues are very linked, but additionally fairly good to have slightly little bit of Squiggly separation as properly.  So, sure, that is mine.  So, your looking-forward-to work checklist for subsequent yr, Sarah? Sarah Ellis: The work one is hopefully realising and seeing the potential, as we have described, now having Crew Superb If, quite than Sarah and Helen Superb If, as a result of I feel it may make a extremely huge distinction.  I am actually curious about the way you create high-performing groups, high-trust groups, to ship these high-performing groups; and in addition how we will share what we’re studying nearly about making a high-performing group, in a extremely open method. Till now, and we have truly discovered this yr, to our detriment, we do not write that a lot stuff down as a result of we needn’t, as a result of primarily so long as Helen and I do know, it is all type of wonderful.  However when you begin to produce other folks, it is not wonderful as a result of how does someone perceive what a working week seems like, what you do, what’s your tradition, what defines your methods of working?  So, I used to be simply nearly wanting ahead to understanding a group, spending time with a group, nearly making a tradition that’s Superb If, quite than simply feeling like we’re simply Helen and Sarah. Then, what we have most likely completed over the past yr or so is, we’re type of a bit extra of a set of Superb If people who find themselves all excellent at what they do, and we have began to return collectively increasingly more as a group.  I can see and I can really feel a lot potential in folks, and I am simply actually enthusiastic about that and what that might deliver and what that might turn into.  So, that is the work one. Helen Tupper: That is pretty. Sarah Ellis: And the house one for me is — Helen Tupper: Is it a vacation?! Sarah Ellis: No, it is not!  Nicely, truly, it type of is linked to that.  So this yr, I’ve received fairly into, my five-year-old actually likes searching for crabs and fish and stuff on the seaside within the UK, and we go to the seaside quite a bit.  Him and I’ve additionally found a shared ardour for locating sea glass.  If anybody’s by no means discovered sea glass earlier than, you sort of comb the seashores for these small bits of sea glass that look lovely.  So, I completely love discovering all of this wildlife and the ocean glass and have gotten very into it.  Me and my son have this little rock pool ebook and we like ticking off that we discovered a rock goby, or a sure sort of crab. This yr for the primary time, I received in chilly water in a wetsuit, which I feel I did speak about on the podcast, so I am getting extra adventurous by the day.  And we now have this cool snorkelling stuff for the UK, and we have got this cool digicam factor the place you set your iPhone into your digicam, so you are able to do underwater footage of, I do not know, a crab or no matter.  It’s truly a bit extra of the identical factor.  After I was fascinated by my day-to-day, I am very fortunate that I do a number of issues that I actually take pleasure in with my pals and my household, and that is actually necessary to me.  I do not need to lose that, I feel I’ve found that actually within the final couple of years. I’ve additionally rediscovered a couple of issues this yr, like enjoying netball, which hasn’t occurred on a regular basis, nevertheless it’s occurred among the time.  And each time it has occurred, I’ve felt a lot better about myself and a lot better about my life and my work and all the things.  So, figuring out to guard these issues which can be already necessary to you, I feel that is what it jogged my memory of, quite than fascinated by newness.  I am all the time fairly drawn to newness.  There’s a number of new stuff workwise in my head, however truly home-wise, there’s not newness.  I would like my household to be pleased and okay and really feel like I am there to assist them for all the things that they want and that is going to be necessary subsequent yr, as a result of a number of issues are taking place in my household subsequent yr, and I need to preserve going with some issues that already make me very pleased. Helen Tupper: I like that.  Additionally, it could possibly be good social content material, Sarah, footage of you discovering — no, she’s not pleased! Sarah Ellis: I’ve already made you’re taking one down this yr!  An image of me all of a sudden appeared someplace and I used to be like, “Take it down.  I am not having that!”  My query as all the time is, “How is that helpful to anybody?”  Nobody must see an image of me in my wetsuit. Helen Tupper: Folks may like your journey with sea glass.  So, tell us, everybody, helenandsarah@squigglycareers.comSarah Ellis: Actually, do not. Helen Tupper: — if you want some footage of Sarah! Sarah Ellis: If that is what individuals are spending their time on by way of their content material, I may give them ten higher issues that they could possibly be doing. Helen Tupper: Okay, do not electronic mail, she’s going to present you a to-do checklist.  You do not want this, everybody!  However thanks, everyone, for listening to our reflections.  We have completed these type of end-of-year assessment podcasts in a couple of completely different guises now, however I all the time stay up for them as a result of it is an actual press-pause second to look again on the yr.  And in us urgent pause and studying, I hope we share some actually helpful questions with you.  But additionally, it is a good factor for us to do, and I do know that in some unspecified time in the future sooner or later when Sarah and I are older and greyer than we at the moment are, we are going to most likely hear again to those and be like, “Oh, gosh, do you keep in mind that Clapham Junction second?  That hasn’t occurred for 20 years”, I hope! However there’s a number of recollections for us which can be captured in these episodes, so thanks for giving us the area to share them with you too. Sarah Ellis: Thanks everyone.  We hope you all have a brilliantly Squiggly and really pleased 2023.  Please preserve coming again, please preserve recommending and supporting all the things we do with the Squiggly Careers podcast; we actually recognize it and we love having you together with all of us on all of our Squiggly Profession journeys.  Thanks a lot and bye for now. Helen Tupper: Bye everyone.

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